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Contextualising the Bible on Marriage Equality

SI ExifQ: What does the Bible say about mixed race marriage, mixed class marriage and same sex marriage?

A: There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:28)

gaymarriageQ: Will there be “gay marriage” or “traditional marriage” in heaven?

A: “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30).
I am following the modern tradition of cherry picking verses to suit an agenda. Have you noticed that every verse quoted regarding homosexuality is actually referring to a specific religious practice which was associated with idol worship in the first century and that there is no condemnation against men cohabiting and loving one another as equals?

Have you noticed people who want to use the bible oppose marriage equality by citing verses that define marriage between a man and a woman and skipping the context that the marriages being referred to generally involved a man buying a young girl from her father without her involvement? Modern marriage bears scant resemblance to any aspect of first century marriage and most people would agree that society is better off for it.

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The verse I’ve quoted does, however, provide a principle which the verses taken out of context to condemn homosexuality do not do. The principle (one which the early baptists died in the thousands for daring to suggest) is that cultural distinctions of class, race and gender are social constructs which it is God’s plan to do away with. It is well in keeping with the original baptist philosophy that equality of all people is a goal to be strived toward and that if that means breaking down some outdated ideas about marriage definitions then so be it.

It is strange to see Baptists even suggest that homosexuals should take a vow of celibacy when the earliest Baptists were raiding convents and liberating cloistered nuns of their vows and their virginity in celebration of a new understanding of God’s word.

Perhaps it would be wise to examine the context of the verses you quote out of a love of telling people what they should do with their genitals before calling somebody else out on the context of the verses they use. Otherwise the measure you use to judge somebody else may be used to judge you also (Matthew 7:1-3).

Marriage equality is about love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law (Galatians 5:23).

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Posted by on July 11, 2015 in Uncategorized


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Educational Conflict

Educational Conflict

People often accuse me of being argumentative on facebook. I’m not going to argue with that. I am. Arguments are the best way to provoke people into teaching you the most interesting and useful information. You want to get a free education on anything? Find somebody who knows more about it than you do and start making claims about it, you will get educated! The best part is that in an argument, the person is genuinely motivated to present a full explanation of why you are wrong and they are right. Sometimes they’ll give you reading assignments for further information, but if you don’t want to read it yourself you just say so and they’ll recap the important points for you. Good luck finding a university lecturer who’ll put that much effort into your education.

You want to the best way to get wine stains out of carpet? Go on a cleaning forum and say it is peanut butter. I guarantee you’ll not only learn why it isn’t peanut butter, you’ll learn the top five best methods for different kinds of wine as well. You’ll get a far more thorough response than if you were to just ask.

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Posted by on December 20, 2014 in Practical


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Jaminising The Kalam Cosmological Argument


Forget about who pushed the first domino. I want to know what the dominos were doing there in the first place!

The Kalam Cosmological Argument:

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause
2. The universe began to exist
3. Therefore the universe has a cause

Analysis of the cause shows it to be timeless and spaceless (since its outside time and space), powerful enough to cause a universe, uncaused, eternal and personal since personal agency is the only thing we know of which can be an uncaused cause and opt to cause things at one point in eternity.

I haven’t gone into how they come to the first two premises. I think premise two has some good support, at least so far as the observable universe is concerned. My problem with the argument is not in the argument itself but in the leap from a cause to a personal cause.

ImageIf the cause is able to go from a state of not creating a universe to a state of creating a universe then it exists within time and is therefore within a larger universe outside of our observable universe and is not a first cause. In order for a first cause uncaused to exist outside of time, whatever it does to create a universe, it must always be doing that… or something to that effect. A heavily tense specific language like English is a bit of a handicap when trying to explain the actions of something that exists outside of time.

If there is a first cause creator, this argument more strongly suggests a Panentheism style ground-of-all-being style first cause than a personal designer creator cause.


(30-11-13 edit: spelling)


Posted by on May 21, 2013 in Religious


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